While your point is valid in many cases, Bill and Lorraine built their own house themselves for significantly less than you would pay in a subdivision. The difference is they made the environment their priority. I publish BiIls books and also live off the grid, and I make much less than the median North American income. It’s just priorities. My priority is energy independence and getting my house to be Zero-carbon. You can do it, you just have to make it your priority as the Kemp’s did.

yes it pisses me off that if you have money going off grid is SOOOO easy – but that is the failinf of this system – but no way does that detract from the efforts they are making – like ALL of us there is probably areas we could poke fun at or criticise – yeah coffee is not sustainable blah blah – we all have to start somewhere – again though it really PISSES me off that it takes money to do this when many of us poorer folk would dearly love to do it

coffee contains programming, is highly addictive and kills all good and bad bacteria in your stomach… it is acid forming and constitutes bad health..
but something tell me u are addicted and will carry on sipping those nasty cappuccinos…

Amazing.
Those who are jealous of other people’s money should move to North Korea. Oh, I get it, you just want socialism. Sorry. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money. Hey Madhippymun and duddevil, when was the last time a poor person offered you a job? Wake up and smell the coffee.

i am not drinking any water that i have already flushed the toilet with.

I just don’t see what the problem is
electricty is cheep . I live alone & except in the summer when the A/C is on i only use between 150 & 300kw per month
so i am only paying between $15 & $30 per month.

do you realize you’re already doing that? city water is the exact thing you’re talking about.

i would rather live in the ditch & sleep in a cardboard box than live in a subdivision.
why would you want to live in a place where everyone but you decides what you can & can’t do?

no where i live the water comes from a huge pond way up in the hills.
so i am drinking rain water & probably water from underground springs that also feed the pond

im sure your water system recycles water back into your pond, its how every town does!!! if not it is a very waste full system, you must treat it before it goes back into ther river? or pond so it gets used somewhere, if not thanx for screwing everyone else lol